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Sunrise problem

Sunrise problem is a mathematics topic covered in the lgStudy science library. This page brings together a partial reference excerpt, illustrations, worked examples, real-world applications and a short study plan, so you can understand Sunrise problem rather than just read about it. In short: The sunrise problem can be expressed as follows: "What is the probability that the sun will rise tomorrow?" The sunrise problem illustrates the difficulty of using probability theory when evaluating the plausibility of statements or beliefs. According to the Bayesian interpretation of probability, probability theory can be used to evaluate the plausibility of the statement, "The sun will rise tomorrow." The sunrise…

Sunrise problem — main illustration
Sunrise problem — illustration

Key takeaways

  • Sunrise problem belongs to mathematics; place it in that map before memorising details.
  • Learn the definition first, then one example that makes the definition concrete.
  • Connect Sunrise problem to a quantity you can measure, compute or draw — that is where exam questions come from.
  • Reproduce the core statement of Sunrise problem from memory before moving on to harder problems.

Reference excerpt

The sunrise problem can be expressed as follows: "What is the probability that the sun will rise tomorrow?" The sunrise problem illustrates the difficulty of using probability theory when evaluating the plausibility of statements or beliefs. According to the Bayesian interpretation of probability, probability theory can be used to evaluate the plausibility of the statement, "The sun will rise tomorrow." The sunrise problem was first introduced publicly in 1763 by Richard Price in his famous coverage of Thomas Bayes' foundational work in Bayesianism.

Laplace's approach Pierre-Simon Laplace approached the problem by means of his rule of succession. Let p be the long-run frequency of sunrises, i.e., the sun rises on 100 × p% of days. Prior to knowing of any sunrises, one is completely ignorant of the value of p. Laplace represented this prior ignorance by means of a uniform probability distribution on p. For instance, the probability that p is between 20% and 50% is just 30%. This must not be interpreted to mean that in 30% of all cases, p is between 20% and 50%. Rather, it means that one's state of knowledge (or ignorance) justifies one in being 30% sure that the sun rises between 20% of the time and 50% of the time. Given the value of p, and no other information relevant to the question of whether the sun will rise tomorrow, the probability that the sun will rise tomorrow is p. But we are not "given the value of p". What we are given is the observed data: the sun has risen every day on record. Laplace inferred the number of days by saying that the universe was created about 6000 years ago, based on a young-earth creationist reading of the Bible. To find the conditional probability distribution of p given the data, one uses Bayes' theorem, which some call the Bayes–Laplace rule. Having found the conditional probability distribution of p given the data, one may then calculate the conditional probability, given the data, that the sun will rise tomorrow. That conditional probability is given by the rule of succession. The plausibility that the sun will rise tomorrow increases with the number of days on which the sun has risen so far. Specifically, assuming p has an a-priori distribution that is uniform over the interval [0,1], and that, given the value of p, the sun independently rises each day with probability p, the desired conditional probability is:

Pr ( Sun rises tomorrow ∣ It has risen k times previously ) = ∫ 0 1 p k + 1 d p ∫ 0 1 p k d p = k + 1 k + 2 . {\displaystyle \Pr({\text{Sun rises tomorrow}}\mid {\text{It has risen }}k{\text{ times previously}})={\frac {\int _{0}^{1}p^{k+1}\,dp}{\int _{0}^{1}p^{k}\,dp}}={\frac {k+1}{k+2}}.}

By this formula, if one has observed the sun rising 10000 times previously, the probability it rises the next day is 10001 / 10002 ≈ 0.99990002 {\displaystyle 10001/10002\approx 0.99990002} . Expressed as a percentage, this is approximately a 99.990002 % {\displaystyle 99.990002\%} chance. However, Laplace recognized this to be a misapplication of the rule of succession through not taking into account all the prior information available immediately after deriving the result:

But this number [the probability of the sun coming up tomorrow] is far greater for him who, seeing in the totality of phenomena the principle regulating the days and seasons, realizes that nothing at present moment can arrest the course of it. E.T. Jaynes noted that Laplace's warning had gone unheeded by workers in the field. A reference class problem arises: the plausibility inferred will depend on whether we take the past experience of one person, of humanity, or of the earth. A consequence is that each referent would hold different plausibility of the statement. In Bayesianism, any probability is a conditional probability given what one knows. That varies from one person to another.

See also Rule of succession Problem of induction Doomsday argument: a similar problem that raises intense philosophical debate Newcomb's paradox Unsolved problems in statistics Additive smoothing (also called Laplace smoothing)

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Illustrations

Sunrise problem: Usually inferred from repeated observations: "The sun always rises in the east".
Usually inferred from repeated observations: "The sun always rises in the east".

Worked examples

Example 1 — a first encounter with Sunrise problem

Start with the simplest possible case. Write down what Sunrise problem claims or describes in one sentence, then invent the smallest concrete situation in which that sentence is true. In mathematics, the smallest case is usually a single object, a single equation or a single measurement. Check that every symbol or term in your sentence has a meaning in that case.

Example 2 — changing one variable

Take the situation from Example 1 and change exactly one quantity: double it, halve it, or set it to zero. Predict what should happen to Sunrise problem before you calculate. Comparing your prediction with the result is the fastest way to find out whether you understand the idea or only the words.

Example 3 — an exam-style question

Typical questions about Sunrise problem ask you to (a) state it precisely, (b) apply it to given data, and (c) explain a limitation. Practise writing all three answers in under five minutes; the third part is what separates a full-mark answer from an average one.

Applications of Sunrise problem

In research
Sunrise problem appears in mathematics research whenever the underlying quantities have to be modelled precisely. Papers usually cite it as a starting assumption and then explore where it breaks down.
In technology and industry
Engineering practice reuses Sunrise problem in design rules, simulations and safety margins. Knowing the idea lets you read a specification sheet and understand why the numbers look the way they do.
In the classroom
Sunrise problem is common in secondary-school and first-year university syllabi. It links to neighbouring topics Bayesian statistics, Probability problems, Statistical inference, so understanding it makes those chapters shorter.
In everyday life
Look for Sunrise problem outside the textbook — in sport, cooking, traffic, electronics or the sky above you. An example you found yourself is remembered far longer than one you were given.

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How to study Sunrise problem in 20 minutes

  1. Read the reference excerpt below once, without taking notes.
  2. Close the page and write down what Sunrise problem means in your own words.
  3. Compare your version with the excerpt and mark what you missed.
  4. Work through the three examples above with pen and paper.
  5. Explain Sunrise problem out loud to somebody else — or to Teacher Smith in the lgStudy chat.

Frequently asked questions

What is Sunrise problem in simple terms?

The sunrise problem can be expressed as follows: "What is the probability that the sun will rise tomorrow?" The sunrise problem illustrates the difficulty of using probability theory when evaluating the plausibility of statements or beliefs. According to the Bayesian interpretation of probability…

Why does Sunrise problem matter?

Because it connects several mathematics ideas at once: it gives you a definition you can apply, a quantity you can calculate, and a way to check whether a result is plausible.

How should I study Sunrise problem?

Read the excerpt, restate it from memory, then work through the examples and applications listed on this page. The five-step study plan above takes about twenty minutes.

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It gives you a compact reference excerpt plus original lgStudy explanations, examples, applications and study material on Sunrise problem.

Tags

  • Bayesian statistics
  • Probability problems
  • Statistical inference

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